Based on all the comments I got about my previous post, I thought some of you might appreciate a guest posting I made at StartupAvenues about recruiting in India recently:
“Are you marrying me or the company?” One of the engineers on our team at Komli told me that the other day. This is probably one of the best lines I have heard in a while. He was talking to one of his friends (located in Pune) about joining a startup and his friend was concerned that if he joined that startup his parents and his fiancé’s parents would be very concerned about the stability of his job; they might even break off the engagement. The engineer on our team didn’t understand why everyone was so focused on his friend’s job.
When I got engaged I was actually unemployed. I had just left the startup I had previously founded when I graduated from college (Chipshot.com, an online e-commerce company focused on golf), and was figuring out what to do next. Nobody called off the engagement or threatened or even hinted at it.
This stark contrast helped me realize a huge disconnect in India’s ability to really innovate and build companies like Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft, and Oracle (interestingly enough, all four of those companies – four of the best technology companies ever started – were all started by people who dropped out of school and NEVER had a full-time job before they started their companies). Generally speaking, youngsters in India are still too concerned about the stability of their jobs and getting married.
There are both logical and emotional arguments to why this might be the case. I am going to present some thoughts on why this concern with job stability just doesn’t make sense if you are really good at what you do and are confident in that.
Reason #1: The spoils go to those that take risks — the ones who work at startups, very early on.
Microsoft is the most successful technology company of all time (though Google is hot on its heels). The first guy at Microsoft made about $50 billion (Bill Gates). The second guy (Paul Allen) made about $25 billion. Steve Ballmer who was one of the early few and joined in a leadership role made about $15 billion. If you were in the first 50 people and got 1/10th of 1% (common for a startup today) you made about $200M. So the first guy made $50B, the 50th guy made $200M. Guess how much the 1,000th employee made, probably about $20M. And the 10,000th employee maybe made $2M. This is in the most successful technology company of all time.
If you want to make some serious money and you join a really good company (where the numbers will be 1% of Microsoft’s) as the 10,000th employee or even the 1,000th employee you are not making the right decision – the math just doesn’t work in your favor. If you want to make some serious money you have to take some risk and join something early, at least among the first 50 employees. I’m not saying that every job you take should be at a startup, but if you never do it, it’s going to be hard to make serious money in the tech industry, unless you work for 20 years and climb to the top of a big company.
Reason #2: The right startups are not that risky.
What is the worst case in any startup if you are not the founder? The startup goes out of business. Your downside is that you have to find a new job. Going back to my original caveat, if you are good at what you do and confident about your ability, then in India it will be relatively easy to find a job. India’s overall economy is growing so fast (2nd fastest growing economy in the world in 2006), and the hi-tech industry is growing even faster, that most people seem to get a 25% pay increase when they jump from job to job anyways. If you add in to that a startup that has a good working environment, good management, good investors, good customers, and you feel that the products are useful then the risk is dramatically reduced. You’ve gone from a 5% chance that something good happens to a 35% chance that something good happens (I made those numbers up, but you get the point).
I know a number of people in Silicon Valley who have made a career of working at startups, and are fully aware that some will be winners, and most won’t. They figure if they work at 5 startups over 10 years maybe one or two will be successful and that’s more financially rewarding than working at an already successful company as the 2000th employee. Crucially, for all 10 years they were excited about the work they were doing. Here is what Paul Graham, a well known entrepreneur and writer, has to say about this: “Economically, you can think of a startup as a way to compress your whole working life into a few years. Instead of working at a low intensity for forty years, you work as hard as you possibly can for four. This pays especially well in technology, where you earn a premium for working fast.”
Reason #3: Often that stable job isn’t so stable.
I have seen a lot of people go to the stable company and then leave after 1 or 2 years because they just don’t like the work or the company. What is the difference between joining a startup that you like and the worst case happens in 2 years versus you join a “stable” company and in 2 years you leave because you don’t like the work?
Reason #4: Do you want to make your parents happy by a) always working at a stable job or b) potentially being Narayana Murthy (who took a lot of risk to start Infosys and almost went out of business early on)?
I’m serious. Wayne Greztky, probably the greatest ice hockey player ever, once said “You miss 100% of the shots you never take.” I’m lucky to have a wife who tells me “The only thing worse than failing is not even trying.” I’m sure you are saying “Amar, you don’t understand, you don’t know my parents or my in-laws, or it just seems too risky to work at one of these little startups.” You are right, I don’t understand. You get more ownership of the work you get to do, you can make the same salary as a big company, you get a meaningful percentage of equity – what’s not to like?
Reason #5: It is probably the best time in the last 25 years, if not ever, in India to start a company.
If you are smart, have a good idea, and can assemble a good team, then statistically, you have a lesser chance of failing today and in the next 10 years than at any time in India’s past.
India has entered a period of fast and sustained economic growth, as long as the government keeps on its current path of increased economic liberalization. With a demographic bulge in the 10-25 year age bracket, the country is virtually guaranteed a consumption boom for the next couple of decades. There are so many industries in India that are already growing at 20-30% per year. More opportunities will also open up as the government makes hitherto closed sectors open to private sector participation and competition. With a fast growing economy, solid worldwide economic growth, and a large talent pool at your disposal, it has never been a better time in India to start or join a startup as an early-stage employee.
What does this all mean for India?
In the US there are tens of thousands of people employed at startups, working hard to innovate and build products and services. The US has tens of thousands of hi-tech startup companies. India has a few thousand. It’s unlikely that India’s thousands of tech startups are going to create more winners than the US’ tens of thousands of hi-tech companies — the US just has too many more chances at success since it has so many more startups. If you think the US example is too far-fetched in that the US already has it good with great infrastructure and a society that is historically not as risk-averse then just look across the border to China. China’s economic growth and pace of innovation over the last two decades has been stunning; in large part this is due to the entrepreneurial culture that has taken hold among the young. What is really interesting about this is that China was traditionally as hierarchical and custom-bound a society as India.
Until India’s culture begins to shift to embracing risk takers rather than eschewing them it will be difficult for India to become the global technology leader. Surely society plays an important role here, but the easiest way to begin the transformation is for each individual to look within and really understand and push her own risk appetite.
July 15, 2007 at 8:30 am
Amar, I think you have hit the nail on the head.
I remember when I was contemplating leaving a well-settled, cushy & good-paying job in Avaya to join Webchutney this is exactly what so many whom I discussed it with also cautioned me, including my father. I think it is in our culture not to take risks. We have been brought up like that by the older generation because that’s the way they were raised.
I am happy today to have broken away from that tradition and taken that risk.
Rahul
July 16, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Amar, I found your views interesting but not complete. I have myself surveyed a lot of youth with ideas worth working upon. There is a streamlining issue where resources and needy are mismatched. There is also a support issue when tons of people rely over you. Its not the same in US as children live on their own once they are adults and so they can do whatever they want.In India, we have a closed family structure which is required for social harmony but it hampers the very ability of risk taking.
Also, it is not always about jobs, its about money at times.
Also, the support system is not mature. At this point, the need is to develop a sound, streamlined system.
July 17, 2007 at 3:39 am
I Agree that most of what you have published is true, one probable oversight you made was that, Google and Yahoo were not founded by College dropouts. Rather they were Phd students who took leave of absence to pursue entrepreneurial challenges. Ya..MSFT and ORCL were founded by dropouts
July 17, 2007 at 3:57 am
Start-ups are for those who love to live on the edge. The important thing to know in today’s world is – If you are not living on the edge, then you are occupying too much space.
I started Green Rootz Manpower Consulting few months back with the belief that in the time to come, market will need specialised job websites that provide more value to the client (rather than just the resume) and more value to the candidate (rather than just the listing). What space is that, I don’t know right now. But after having studied and worked as any other placement consultant for last 6 months, the space seems much clear for me to build a business model.
Hence, I will go a step further to say that may be some time you will not have clarity about the fate of start-up, but do you want to be part of the ‘intent’ to create differentiated offering and value in the long period of time. Tendulkar took 79 innings to score first century. Comfortable pay checks and stable career by no way will deliver disruptive results. People have to realise that life is much beyond 5 days a week and 4 weeks a month for that wait of the last day to collect the pay check.
July 17, 2007 at 4:21 am
Saurabh,
Thanks for your views. I’m not necessarily saying that you should go straight from college to starting a company, I agree that many people aren’t ready for that (though some are). India does have a closer family structure where more people depend on you potentially, but many startups pay the same as large companies, or within 5-10%. So I think the issue of money is pretty irrelevant.
I think your last point is the key, you say we need a sound, streamline system. I think what I am advocating is that people need to get out there and do it, rather than waiting for a system. Startups are not about a system, but rather a burning desire to make it happen come hell or high water.
July 17, 2007 at 4:25 am
Puneeth,
I think that is a pretty semantic difference. The difference between a dropout who was doing well at school (Bill Gates) and a person who left on a leave of absence is that the latter filed a form.
July 17, 2007 at 4:49 am
Hey Amar, it’s a nice one.
I totally agree with you, that’s why I am with Komli today.
July 17, 2007 at 6:06 am
I think what has been said makes a hell of a lot of sense. Although, kids are still to scared to tell their parents that they are going to join a start-up. I really do hope this outlook changes in the next few years!
July 17, 2007 at 6:54 am
Amar, agree with your and few of commnet views.
To start any business most important ingredients are solid relaible team(passionate dedicated and visionary) with self confidence.
As far as ecosystem in Indian context goes yes there are few fitfalls, grey areas but I believe since entire startup thing is still pretty new here, so over a period of time it will mature. With more n more connected homes local market has so much potential that we will need more n more offerings and this will help change society views on startup in terms of risks and gains.
July 17, 2007 at 8:40 am
Amar,
Fully agree with the fact that its too risky not to take risk. Thats why i leave MNC to join start-up to learn quick so that one day i will have my own. With that dream along with some guys I am on the way to start my company in online space.
I think its must for all guys who is on the edge and want to make a diff, joining a startup will help a lot.
July 17, 2007 at 9:19 am
Amar,
Working in the startup gives you the chance to roll up your sleeves and get the job done, no matter weather its in your job profile or not.
You can create you own functions, processes and departments oppose to mere joining them in an MNC.
I guess money and stability is not what you ever look in a start-up but the potential to grow with the company is what matters the most.
IMO more than culture shift, all we need is independent thinking. Just because my friend joined some high flying tech co. and went to US for 6 months, I too want to join them! has to go away.
There is no doubt that gen-y are far more risk takers than gen-xer.
July 18, 2007 at 2:47 am
Hey Amar,
Thanks for getting me right. Most of the time people take me wrong and particular (Murphy’s Law)
Anyway, I guess issue of money is pretty irrelevant and you are right with that but it is not only about money most of the times. Actually it is way too complicated to explain but what you said holds true for 10% of the people out there. Rest fall in one of the other categories.
1) Graduate from a normal engineering college with no Idea of his own – He/She needs a job and because of IT explosion, he/she is employed by Infy, TCS, Wipro etc. They don’t have any option to join any start-up.
2) Graduate from a Normal Engineering College with an idea of his/her own – imitation of resources but some still work over them and I happen to know a lot of them as I was associated with ECell, IIT Bombay for 3 years and then I pursed interest in the field. There is a need of a formal system here which is getting developed eventually. But, these people also don’t get an option to join a startup.
3) Graduate from prestigious colleges – These are the guys who see lot of startups around and who have an option of joining one of them. Now, some of these go for further studies and some work on their profiles to join Harvard one day. The remaining ones get great offers from companies which are unbeaten by startups. The remaining ones go the option available. I think it is supply and demand game. I know toms of my friends who joined startups. I myself had an offer to join startup but the salary offered was less than half of what I am getting.
4)Working class with MBA degree – This is the person you are referring to as this is the person who deny the offer of a startup and there is a reason for that. Its human Psychology. By the time a person reaches 30 in India, he wants to settle down as he is earning good amount to take any more risks.
5) Working class with no MBA degree – This class if opts to go for MBA in future wants to build his/her profile.
Now all these people need money and I agree with you that money is a risk-return game but all the people falls in one or the other category and gets trapped there.
Anyway, as I said its not just black and white but what I know is that there is a space which needs focus and it will get focus in the coming times.
Tc,
Saurabh
July 18, 2007 at 5:38 am
All said and done, it is matter of probability.
How many people took the chance and how many was made to the GYM? We only know of what is successful and not which failed. I sound pessimistic- but I am not telling people not to take the chance. take it when you can, stop taking it when the risks are higher. I am working for my 5th start up-none of the 4 was successful. Even if some take over happens there are a lot of slip between the cup and the lip. Deal structuring is a different ball game all together. I would encourage people joining Start Ups to read and know thoroughly about the Investments which came in the company and how they are structured- else you may end up with the risks and not the gain. In India very rarely people want to know the full story- which is very different in the US. They ask a lot of questions before joining a start up on the options and the investment and the capital structure etc.
Guys- take an “informed” decision- just being passionate will not help.
July 18, 2007 at 5:58 pm
It’s easy to talk about how people who don’t take risks like your fathers are stupid and the current young ones are smart. Till about 10 years ago finding a job in India was such a rat race and 20 years before that when your father was looking for a job, it was either sumb Public sector companies or become a babu in a government organization. Unemployment levels were so high compared to now for educated people that you didn’t take risks.
So before we get carried away with dotcom like thinking, let’s think about the contexts. If the current economic growth fizzles out for some reason, guess what, the same young people would be looking for less risky jobs!
July 18, 2007 at 8:02 pm
I agree with you Kaushik. I think currently passion is all that people talk about when they discuss Start ups. It needs to be an informed decision then just Passion.
Rules of the game are still the same, its just that knowing the rules is the key.
July 18, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Great post..While I agree that this is indeed one of the best times to start up your own business, I just feel that you have given too rosy a picture of startups..
Out of tens of thousands only one or two make a Narayanamurty, a few hundred end up with a nice and established company and thosands others fail..I would also like to see you talk on what recourses such people from failed startups take..Are the other companies willing to take in people who have not had ‘relevant experience’ (and also got the possibility to move away again on another startup) to their organization, etc..
Regards
July 27, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Marc Andreessen co-founder of Netscape(sold to AOL), chair of Opsware (recently sold to HP at US$1.6B) and a cofounder of Ning has many interesting blogs for startups at http://pmarca.typepad.com/ including
“The truth about venture capitalists, Part 1-“ See also Parts 2-3
http://blog.pmarca.com/2007/06/the_truth_about.html ,
” The Pmarca Guide to Startups, part 1: Why not to do a startup” at http://blog.pmarca.com/2007/06/the_pmarca_guid_1.html see also Parts 2-6
and many others useful info for startups from a successful entrepreneur’s point of view.
July 27, 2007 at 12:45 pm
The greatest impediment for a startup is fear—- the fear of the unknown and the fear of failure.
Jeremy Liew of Lightspeed Venture Partners http://lsvp.wordpress.com/ has a great post on “Failure IS an option” at http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/01/24/failure-is-an-option/
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“Its not the same in US as children live on their own once they are adults”
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IMO, Indian youth needs to dream, dream big and try to achieve it. It is very difficult to build a multi million dollar company, when ultimate aim is to make a one crore company.
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January 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
@Gaurav – You are right in a sense that there is a home to rely on but the problem is that we normally are under family pressures and thats because of the closely knit society.